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I was expecting this video to just be another "product bashing" video, but was pleasantly surprised. I appreciate how you specified the Bosch didn't work for you, and then went into the reasons why, and why the alternative did work for you. I was interested in a Bosch assisted bike, and after watching your video, I still want a Bosch, because it still fits my riding style and needs, but now I feel even more confident in that decision. I will have to find another way to deal with puddles, though. And still riding at 78? Inspiring! I hope to make it to 78, I'll just focus on getting back on the bike for now.

First of all, helmets off to you for having remained an active cyclist and adventurer. I'm a mere 60 years old and can only hope to follow your example. Currently, I am happily riding a Yamaha mid drive, but I can appreciate the good reasons you gave in favour of hub motors and I am eager to try one out one day. My charger comes with a 60% option, but an 80% would be a useful feature for every charger. Solar charging for long distance tours is something I would like to tinker with in the near future. Happy trails

You make a very clear case. Great job! I don’t happen to share your sentiments - quite the opposite! I hated my test ride of the Pedigo. I don’t like throttle ebikes or any ebikes without a torque sensor. Fair enough. To each his own. I’m glad there are lots of options out there. Happy riding! Wishing you many happy miles!

Thank you for a wonderful explanation. For those over 50, your video gives a wonderful examples of pros and cons of hub drive and mid drive drive systems.

Your reasons for why some might want the Bosch mid-drive are pretty much why I went with the Bafang mid-drive kit for my commuter bike. Weight low and centered, variable torque through the bike's gearing and a slightly lighter system.

Thank you for the informative video. I am in the market for an eBike, not to replace my 29er all-mountain bike, but to complement it. I am still leaning toward a Bosch CX powered mountain bike because I can use it for commuting and for doubling or tripling my time on the gnar, but I may reconsider a Pedego hub drive for the reasons you mentioned. Too many choices!

Hello Robert, Great video, I really appreciate your passion for biking reagardless how many seasons you already saw!

I converted my Recumbent into a front wheel drive Ebike, and its wonderful. Did take some time to get used to the new steering weight, but in the end, I love it. Also with the motor on the front and the battery on the rear rack, the weight is spread out a bit more.

Robert. This video & your other ones are very well done & highly informative. I have a Reise & Muller Delite e-bike with two (duel) Bosh batteries. I go on long 50 mile bike rides as well as tours. Last one was two weeks caring about 100lbs in panniers. It has the CX mid drive motor with a Rohloff hub. I like my bike very much. It works for me at this time being 62 years old. I see & understand your reasons & they make sense. I too looked into solar charging the Delite but found the same info as you did. Also, my Delite cannot be operated under charge as some bikes can. I do not think any Bosh bike can. What I do now is carry one battery charger all the time for day rides & two while touring. I plan to get an addition one or two batts & carry them for extra distance. Currently I get about 75 mile on both bats with 100lbs load. It pulls hills well even steep grades but as you know, I am working my ass off. Last Nov I did a 350 mile two week tour on flats & very hill roads. Two of the days was in heave rain. One day was about 6 hrs & another day was 4 hrs in the rain. The 6hr rain day was the hilliest. Up to 14% grade in the rain. For Info: Marissa Muller road across the US on a Specializes Standardised e-bike with a large solar panel:

Just bought IZip and Trek with Bosch power and have no problems. Glad as I was your age last week, but now 79 and the assistance really helps. I now ride with the next younger group and get a good workout with a good boat with the Bosch power plant. You pt together a good video explaining many points. Ebikes are in their infancy but moving very quickly.

Thanks for sharing your experiences. If you want to go with a bike-trailer Bosch has special solutions. With my recent motor from Bosch I also can manipulate the torque-line with the software an website. It is really easy. So you can adjust the torque to your needs. Last week Bosch has announced a software-update for performance-line Ch (gen4) from 75 Nm to 85 Nm of torque. All the best and stay healthy!

Bonjour Robert. I agree completely. especially your point for older e bike riders, like me, who need an extra push with starting off at a junction or hill. ... regen would be a nice hub drive feature, here in hilly Dordogne France.

Glad you're still out there at 78; I am 69 and still going and will continue to do so as long as the body permits.

I've just got an ebike with the basic activeline motor on it (which I think is 40nm) and I love it ... I had a hub drive before and the Bosch feels way more natural with no surges in power delivery.

Another thought provoking piece, Robert. Thanks for your ongoing analysis!

I don’t like throttle e-bikes or any e-bikes without a torque sensor so I love my Haibike Trekking SDURO with Bosch performance 65nm mid-drive. Also, Throttle e-bikes are considered mopeds here in Sweden.

Lots of very valid points.

I’m only just dipping my toes into the fact finding phase of getting my first e-bike. The Bosch motors looked appealing, at first, and I know Bosch as a good, reliable company, but I didn’t realise they were so restrictive.

I own 2 Bosch bicycles, one touring and one mountain bike. First they are UL approved, they are very durable and never had any problems, I talked to a fellow ride who had no issues with 7500 miles of use. If a flat tire occurs it’s easier to repair with a mid drive.

Great video , thanks.

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